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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159104409" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159104409">(Feb 21 2019 at 21:06)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116107">@davidtwco</span> so it became clear that the lang team wants to share the compiler team template too =)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159104433" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159104433">(Feb 21 2019 at 21:07)</a>:</h4>
<p>I started this topic to discuss any questions that come up</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159104441" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159104441">(Feb 21 2019 at 21:07)</a>:</h4>
<p>(One thing I imagine might be on there, if we have a membership list document, is some link to said document)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159169520" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159169520">(Feb 22 2019 at 16:32)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-group-mention" data-user-group-id="1095">@WG-compiler-meta</span> I've started work on this <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/pull/7" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/pull/7">here</a>.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159169656" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159169656">(Feb 22 2019 at 16:34)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think I've just written what we discussed and other things I'd seen mentioned. If I've went off the reservation anywhere then let me know.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159170374" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159170374">(Feb 22 2019 at 16:42)</a>:</h4>
<p>May have forgotten or missed things too.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159170435" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159170435">(Feb 22 2019 at 16:43)</a>:</h4>
<p>I also used a concrete example as I was struggling to provide a decent example otherwise.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159170441" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159170441">(Feb 22 2019 at 16:43)</a>:</h4>
<p>Happy to change any of it.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159179014" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159179014">(Feb 22 2019 at 18:27)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116107">@davidtwco</span> cool, looking now</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159180728" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159180728">(Feb 22 2019 at 18:47)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116107">@davidtwco</span> I'm wondering a bit about the "how to get involved section"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159180742" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159180742">(Feb 22 2019 at 18:47)</a>:</h4>
<p>I was writing a comment as a review but maybe easier to just discuss here</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159180746" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159180746">(Feb 22 2019 at 18:47)</a>:</h4>
<p>a few thoughts:</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159180755" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159180755">(Feb 22 2019 at 18:47)</a>:</h4>
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<li>the triagebot workflow doesn't actually <em>exist</em> yet</li>
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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159180766" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159180766">(Feb 22 2019 at 18:47)</a>:</h4>
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<li>there are also other things like zulip user groups etc that have to be adjusted</li>
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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159180777" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159180777">(Feb 22 2019 at 18:47)</a>:</h4>
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<li>maybe the advice should basically be to "join at a triage meeting"?</li>
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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159180788" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159180788">(Feb 22 2019 at 18:47)</a>:</h4>
<p>and/or find a bug (we should link to the list) and then reach out on Zulip?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159180799" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159180799">(Feb 22 2019 at 18:47)</a>:</h4>
<p>That makes sense. I can change it to that.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159180801" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159180801">(Feb 22 2019 at 18:47)</a>:</h4>
<p>something I did in salsa (at least a bit) was to create (and link) a topic</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159180810" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159180810">(Feb 22 2019 at 18:47)</a>:</h4>
<p>i.e., in every E-mentor bug</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159180815" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159180815">(Feb 22 2019 at 18:48)</a>:</h4>
<p>I would also create a dedicated topic</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159180860" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159180860">(Feb 22 2019 at 18:48)</a>:</h4>
<p>so I can link to it from the bug</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159180875" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159180875">(Feb 22 2019 at 18:48)</a>:</h4>
<p>to help people get over the "wtf is this zulip thing" reaction</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159180890" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159180890">(Feb 22 2019 at 18:48)</a>:</h4>
<p>i.e., if you're interewsted in this, leave a message in this topic</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159180901" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159180901">(Feb 22 2019 at 18:48)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'm not sure how well that worked because I don't know how well links to topics work :P</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159180920" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159180920">(Feb 22 2019 at 18:48)</a>:</h4>
<p>but it seems like "not much extra work" if you're already writing mentoring instructions</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159180939" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159180939">(Feb 22 2019 at 18:48)</a>:</h4>
<p>I can add that as a recommendation.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159180941" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159180941">(Feb 22 2019 at 18:48)</a>:</h4>
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<p>something I did in salsa (at least a bit) was to create (and link) a topic</p>
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<p>/me sheds a tear for not having time to keep up with the salsa repo / zulip right now</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159180973" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159180973">(Feb 22 2019 at 18:49)</a>:</h4>
<p>otherwise, I'm thinking it looks pretty good</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159180983" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159180983">(Feb 22 2019 at 18:49)</a>:</h4>
<p>it might be nice to make it a bit more "generic" (i.e., not so tightly tied to NLL), to help people see how to apply it to themselves more</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159180985" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159180985">(Feb 22 2019 at 18:49)</a>:</h4>
<p>but I'm not sure</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159180986" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159180986">(Feb 22 2019 at 18:49)</a>:</h4>
<p>seems ok as a start</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159181073" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159181073">(Feb 22 2019 at 18:50)</a>:</h4>
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<p>it might be nice to make it a bit more "generic" (i.e., not so tightly tied to NLL), to help people see how to apply it to themselves more</p>
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<p>I tried to start it like that, but so much of it depends on the description and details of a working group that it would have ended up being a couple headers.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159181611" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159181611">(Feb 22 2019 at 18:57)</a>:</h4>
<p>Yeah</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159181613" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159181613">(Feb 22 2019 at 18:57)</a>:</h4>
<p>It seems good</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159181619" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159181619">(Feb 22 2019 at 18:57)</a>:</h4>
<p>Let's try to use it and see what results</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159181711" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159181711">(Feb 22 2019 at 18:58)</a>:</h4>
<p>I left my review but it's all stuff we already talked about</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159191850" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159191850">(Feb 22 2019 at 21:18)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116009">@nikomatsakis</span> Updated the PR.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159194398" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159194398">(Feb 22 2019 at 21:51)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116107">@davidtwco</span> it looks quite nice</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159194402" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159194402">(Feb 22 2019 at 21:51)</a>:</h4>
<p>you still have it marked as "draft", are there other things you had in mind to do first?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159194470" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159194470">(Feb 22 2019 at 21:52)</a>:</h4>
<p>I was anticipating that there'd be more requested changes, that's all.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159194489" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159194489">(Feb 22 2019 at 21:53)</a>:</h4>
<p>Also hadn't had a chance to try that feature of GitHub yet.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159194505" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159194505">(Feb 22 2019 at 21:53)</a>:</h4>
<p>Un-drafted it now.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159194983" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159194983">(Feb 22 2019 at 22:00)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116010">@Aaron Turon</span> did you want to take a look at the "working group draft template" that <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116107">@davidtwco</span> whipped up? it's available at &lt;<a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/pull/7" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/pull/7">https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/pull/7</a>&gt;. I was inclined to merge for now and maybe make more edits as we try it out a few times</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159194992" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159194992">(Feb 22 2019 at 22:00)</a>:</h4>
<p>But I remember you had an interest</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159195001" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Aaron Turon <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159195001">(Feb 22 2019 at 22:01)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116009">@nikomatsakis</span> sure! lemme take a quick look and see if anything jumps out</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159195042" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159195042">(Feb 22 2019 at 22:01)</a>:</h4>
<p>The only thing I'd like to change, if I could figure out how to make it work, would be to make it less concrete/more general. Not worth blocking over if we're happy with it.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159195131" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Aaron Turon <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159195131">(Feb 22 2019 at 22:02)</a>:</h4>
<p>oh i actually think it's great for it to be concrete -- makes it a lot easier to grok</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159195197" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Aaron Turon <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159195197">(Feb 22 2019 at 22:03)</a>:</h4>
<p>this looks amazing <span aria-label="100" class="emoji emoji-1f4af" role="img" title="100">:100:</span></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159195226" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Aaron Turon <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159195226">(Feb 22 2019 at 22:03)</a>:</h4>
<p>so lemme cross-check this with the list we made in lang</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159195365" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Aaron Turon <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159195365">(Feb 22 2019 at 22:05)</a>:</h4>
<p>ok so a couple things maybe worth adding to the template:</p>
<ul>
<li>a clear description of <em>where</em> the work primarily happens (this may seem obvious, but i think could be helpful for newcomers). so for NLL it'd be a pointer at least to the rust repo, if not specific subcrates etc</li>
<li>a "roster" somewhere of the people who are considered active WG members</li>
</ul>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159195455" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Aaron Turon <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159195455">(Feb 22 2019 at 22:06)</a>:</h4>
<p>also, just to check, is the idea that NOTES.md contains <em>all</em> meeting notes? it might be good to instead have a subdirectory or something</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159195484" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Aaron Turon <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159195484">(Feb 22 2019 at 22:07)</a>:</h4>
<p><a href="https://github.com/rustwasm/team" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rustwasm/team">https://github.com/rustwasm/team</a> has maybe some additional inspiration</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159195514" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Aaron Turon <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159195514">(Feb 22 2019 at 22:07)</a>:</h4>
<p>anyway, this looks like a great starting point!</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159195515" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159195515">(Feb 22 2019 at 22:07)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>also, just to check, is the idea that NOTES.md contains <em>all</em> meeting notes? it might be good to instead have a subdirectory or something</p>
</blockquote>
<p>For now, that's the case. This wasn't something we explicitly wanted though.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159195627" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159195627">(Feb 22 2019 at 22:08)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<ul>
<li>a "roster" somewhere of the people who are considered active WG members</li>
</ul>
</blockquote>
<p>I think we wanted to avoid something like this - it's somewhat explained <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/pull/7/files#diff-685d0a780cd815d3c3dd050e02a2ab36R38" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/pull/7/files#diff-685d0a780cd815d3c3dd050e02a2ab36R38">in this part of the diff</a>. That said, if we do want this, we could link to the GitHub and Zulip groups which might be better as they won't require a PR to add oneself.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159195655" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159195655">(Feb 22 2019 at 22:09)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<ul>
<li>a clear description of <em>where</em> the work primarily happens (this may seem obvious, but i think could be helpful for newcomers). so for NLL it'd be a pointer at least to the rust repo, if not specific subcrates etc</li>
</ul>
</blockquote>
<p>Will add this.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159195762" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Aaron Turon <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159195762">(Feb 22 2019 at 22:10)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<ul>
<li>a "roster" somewhere of the people who are considered active WG members</li>
</ul>
</blockquote>
<p>I think we wanted to avoid something like this - it's somewhat explained <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/pull/7/files#diff-685d0a780cd815d3c3dd050e02a2ab36R38" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/pull/7/files#diff-685d0a780cd815d3c3dd050e02a2ab36R38">in this part of the diff</a>. That said, if we do want this, we could link to the GitHub and Zulip groups which might be better as they won't require a PR to add oneself.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>yeah <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116009">@nikomatsakis</span> had said something similar; but i think it's very valuable to just have a list of folks to reach out to for e.g. scheduling meetings etc -- just a lightweight contact list</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159195764" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159195764">(Feb 22 2019 at 22:10)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p><a href="https://github.com/rustwasm/team" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rustwasm/team">https://github.com/rustwasm/team</a> has maybe some additional inspiration</p>
</blockquote>
<p>There's a lot of great stuff here. Will see if there's anything I can steal from it.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159195868" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159195868">(Feb 22 2019 at 22:12)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>yeah <span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="116009">@nikomatsakis</span> had said something similar; but i think it's very valuable to just have a list of folks to reach out to for e.g. scheduling meetings etc -- just a lightweight contact list</p>
</blockquote>
<p>For now, I think being able to ping <code>@wg-nll</code> (for example) on GitHub or Zulip  would be sufficient to get in touch with everyone for things like scheduling. But I'm happy to revisit this if we find a list of active participants in the working group would be valuable to have on the page after trialing this.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159195931" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159195931">(Feb 22 2019 at 22:13)</a>:</h4>
<p>I am torn about the whole membership thing for sure</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159195958" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Aaron Turon <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159195958">(Feb 22 2019 at 22:13)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116107">@davidtwco</span> yeah i agree that some means of giving a persistent ping for folks is all we need here</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159196040" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159196040">(Feb 22 2019 at 22:14)</a>:</h4>
<p>yep, it's just really unclear to me what is the right way to achieve that</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159196047" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159196047">(Feb 22 2019 at 22:14)</a>:</h4>
<p>in the end it prob doesn't matter all <em>that</em> much as long as it's something</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159196097" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Aaron Turon <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159196097">(Feb 22 2019 at 22:15)</a>:</h4>
<p>a github group seems good -- a lot of WGs open issues ahead of each meeting to collect agenda, and it'd be super easy to ping folks there etc</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159196220" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159196220">(Feb 22 2019 at 22:17)</a>:</h4>
<p>yeah</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159196229" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159196229">(Feb 22 2019 at 22:17)</a>:</h4>
<p>it's also good because being a member of the org means you can be assigned to issues</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159196237" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159196237">(Feb 22 2019 at 22:17)</a>:</h4>
<p>it's also nice to have a zulip user group so you can ping the whole group</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159196238" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159196238">(Feb 22 2019 at 22:17)</a>:</h4>
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<p>I am torn about the whole membership thing for sure</p>
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<p>To clarify, my only real reservation with formal membership is the conflict between it being a way to recognize active participants and just being everyone who was ever involved in the working group for any length of time. The GitHub group for the actual NLL wg <a href="https://github.com/orgs/rust-lang/teams/wg-compiler-nll/members" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/orgs/rust-lang/teams/wg-compiler-nll/members">is quite large</a>. It's possible though that my concern about that is just overblown.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159196239" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159196239">(Feb 22 2019 at 22:17)</a>:</h4>
<p>kind of want both</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159196300" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159196300">(Feb 22 2019 at 22:18)</a>:</h4>
<p>so part of my concern is that I just don't want to put myself into the position of having to distinguish</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159196305" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159196305">(Feb 22 2019 at 22:18)</a>:</h4>
<p>there's a lot of "grey area"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159196315" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159196315">(Feb 22 2019 at 22:18)</a>:</h4>
<p>and I feel like, in the end, it's not really that necessary most of the time</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159196331" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159196331">(Feb 22 2019 at 22:18)</a>:</h4>
<p>I also just don't want to add more overhead :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159196340" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159196340">(Feb 22 2019 at 22:18)</a>:</h4>
<p>this is why I like framing it more as a "contact list" than a "member list"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159196356" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159196356">(Feb 22 2019 at 22:19)</a>:</h4>
<p>that said, there is definitely value in recognizing people, and I think we should think about good ways to do that</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159196458" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159196458">(Feb 22 2019 at 22:20)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>that said, there is definitely value in recognizing people, and I think we should think about good ways to do that</p>
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<p>Like you said in yesterday's meeting, the journeypeople discussions are probably a good place to work this out.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159197178" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159197178">(Feb 22 2019 at 22:30)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116010">@Aaron Turon</span>, <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116009">@nikomatsakis</span> added <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/pull/7/commits/ff840e03dfc581ee54606a0917a59edd8de873de" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/pull/7/commits/ff840e03dfc581ee54606a0917a59edd8de873de">a new commit</a> with requested changes and one or two other things that the wasm repo inspired.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159197237" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Aaron Turon <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159197237">(Feb 22 2019 at 22:31)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116107">@davidtwco</span> looks great, thanks!</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159197584" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159197584">(Feb 22 2019 at 22:36)</a>:</h4>
<p>Merged</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159197607" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159197607">(Feb 22 2019 at 22:36)</a>:</h4>
<p>Oh, we should update that table</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159197609" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159197609">(Feb 22 2019 at 22:36)</a>:</h4>
<p>it's already out of date :P</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159197907" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159197907">(Feb 22 2019 at 22:41)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116107">@davidtwco</span> r? <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/pull/8" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/pull/8">https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/pull/8</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159197965" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159197965">(Feb 22 2019 at 22:42)</a>:</h4>
<p>What about this working group?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159197983" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159197983">(Feb 22 2019 at 22:42)</a>:</h4>
<p>we don't have a directory yet</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159197986" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159197986">(Feb 22 2019 at 22:42)</a>:</h4>
<p>I guess it doesn't have a directory so-</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159197998" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159197998">(Feb 22 2019 at 22:42)</a>:</h4>
<p>I was planning to add to the table when we add a directory</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159198001" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159198001">(Feb 22 2019 at 22:42)</a>:</h4>
<p>but feel free to open a PR with that :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159198003" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159198003">(Feb 22 2019 at 22:42)</a>:</h4>
<p>I've got to run soon</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159198012" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159198012">(Feb 22 2019 at 22:42)</a>:</h4>
<p>next week's goal for me is to try and populate these directories more...</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159198021" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159198021">(Feb 22 2019 at 22:43)</a>:</h4>
<p>...or to encourage others to do so</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159198052" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159198052">(Feb 22 2019 at 22:43)</a>:</h4>
<p>Are the labels right for that group? Isn't there an <code>A-traits</code> or does the WG not look at those?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159198064" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159198064">(Feb 22 2019 at 22:43)</a>:</h4>
<p>There is one</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159198106" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159198106">(Feb 22 2019 at 22:44)</a>:</h4>
<p>Oh, I didnt' realize the table listed labels</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159198111" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159198111">(Feb 22 2019 at 22:44)</a>:</h4>
<p>There's also no meeting in the meeting column but there's a calendar event so I assume there is one.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159198114" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159198114">(Feb 22 2019 at 22:44)</a>:</h4>
<p>editing markdown tables directly is not that great :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159198118" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159198118">(Feb 22 2019 at 22:44)</a>:</h4>
<p>yeah, bah</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159198125" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159198125">(Feb 22 2019 at 22:44)</a>:</h4>
<p>we should definitely move to jekyll</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159198130" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159198130">(Feb 22 2019 at 22:44)</a>:</h4>
<p>Doesn't make editing the table any easier?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159198152" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159198152">(Feb 22 2019 at 22:45)</a>:</h4>
<p>it does because you can write metadata</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159198153" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159198153">(Feb 22 2019 at 22:45)</a>:</h4>
<p>and write some code to render it</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159198154" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159198154">(Feb 22 2019 at 22:45)</a>:</h4>
<p>I like using the <a href="http://vimcasts.org/episodes/aligning-text-with-tabular-vim/" target="_blank" title="http://vimcasts.org/episodes/aligning-text-with-tabular-vim/">Tabular plugin for Vim</a> to clean up tables.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159198155" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159198155">(Feb 22 2019 at 22:45)</a>:</h4>
<p>e.g. a yaml file or something</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159198162" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159198162">(Feb 22 2019 at 22:45)</a>:</h4>
<p>also, one other thing is that the table lists "UTC" time zones</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159198165" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159198165">(Feb 22 2019 at 22:45)</a>:</h4>
<p>but those have to be updated</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159198167" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159198167">(Feb 22 2019 at 22:45)</a>:</h4>
<p>I guess that's true. I was still thinking of tables in the markdown and not the metadata.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159198171" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159198171">(Feb 22 2019 at 22:46)</a>:</h4>
<p>around Daylight Savings Time</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159198234" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159198234">(Feb 22 2019 at 22:46)</a>:</h4>
<p>which is a drag</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159198240" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159198240">(Feb 22 2019 at 22:46)</a>:</h4>
<p>no really great solution for that</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159198261" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159198261">(Feb 22 2019 at 22:47)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>also, one other thing is that the table lists "UTC" time zones</p>
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<p><a href="https://stackoverflow.com/questions/5495803/does-utc-observe-daylight-saving-time#5495816" target="_blank" title="https://stackoverflow.com/questions/5495803/does-utc-observe-daylight-saving-time#5495816">Does UTC change with daylight savings?</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159198276" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159198276">(Feb 22 2019 at 22:47)</a>:</h4>
<p>afaik it does not, but our meetings do :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159198278" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159198278">(Feb 22 2019 at 22:47)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>afaik it does not, but our meetings do <span aria-label="slight smile" class="emoji emoji-1f642" role="img" title="slight smile">:slight_smile:</span></p>
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<p>Oh yeah.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159198284" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159198284">(Feb 22 2019 at 22:47)</a>:</h4>
<p>I wonder if we should not list the time</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159198288" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159198288">(Feb 22 2019 at 22:47)</a>:</h4>
<p>it would be nice if we could just link to the calendar event</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159198311" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159198311">(Feb 22 2019 at 22:48)</a>:</h4>
<p>not sure if that's possible</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159198332" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159198332">(Feb 22 2019 at 22:48)</a>:</h4>
<p>e.g., <a href="http://something" target="_blank" title="http://something">Mondays</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159198334" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159198334">(Feb 22 2019 at 22:48)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>it would be nice if we could just link to the calendar event</p>
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<p>I avoided listing the time in the actual working group page by saying "refer to the calendar".</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159198340" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159198340">(Feb 22 2019 at 22:48)</a>:</h4>
<p>yeah I kind of want to avoid the 'many sources of truth' problem, basicalyl</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159198343" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159198343">(Feb 22 2019 at 22:48)</a>:</h4>
<p>Maybe we could just say "Weekly"?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159198346" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159198346">(Feb 22 2019 at 22:48)</a>:</h4>
<p>that works, and link to the calendar</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159198354" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159198354">(Feb 22 2019 at 22:48)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'd keep it saying "optional" if that is the case.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159198463" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159198463">(Feb 22 2019 at 22:50)</a>:</h4>
<p>updated PR</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159198488" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159198488">(Feb 22 2019 at 22:51)</a>:</h4>
<p>ok, I have to go now</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159198496" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159198496">(Feb 22 2019 at 22:51)</a>:</h4>
<p>feel free to edit that branch and/or merge</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159198498" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159198498">(Feb 22 2019 at 22:51)</a>:</h4>
<p>Looks good, merging.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159253986" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Cem Karan <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159253986">(Feb 24 2019 at 01:25)</a>:</h4>
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<p>To clarify, my only real reservation with formal membership is the conflict between it being a way to recognize active participants and just being everyone who was ever involved in the working group for any length of time. The GitHub group for the actual NLL wg <a href="https://github.com/orgs/rust-lang/teams/wg-compiler-nll/members" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/orgs/rust-lang/teams/wg-compiler-nll/members">is quite large</a>. It's possible though that my concern about that is just overblown.</p>
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<p>Would it be possible to maintain a priority queue of members? E.g., your priority is the date you last took some 'significant action', which affects how close you are to the head of the queue.  This would allow inactive members to sift to the bottom, with anyone that hasn't done a significant action in X days getting a ping asking them if they still have any interest in the group.  Replying affirmatively is a significant action, so you get bumped to the head of the queue.</p>
<p>This wouldn't be that good for displaying a list of members, but I'm sure that we can come up with some better metric (average number of significant actions over the past week, some kind of weighted sum over all significant actions that factors in how recent the action was, etc.) for ordering the list of members.</p>
<p>As for what a 'significant action' is, I don't know, but it sounds like something that would be within WG-Meta's charter to discuss! <span aria-label="wink" class="emoji emoji-1f609" role="img" title="wink">:wink:</span></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159433613" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159433613">(Feb 26 2019 at 15:46)</a>:</h4>
<p>hey, just have finished reading all the wg-meta stuff, sorry but I had some crazy days since thursday</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159433621" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159433621">(Feb 26 2019 at 15:46)</a>:</h4>
<p>I have some thoughts</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159433681" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159433681">(Feb 26 2019 at 15:47)</a>:</h4>
<p>I remember <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116009">@nikomatsakis</span> saying that I'd be nice to have some document that helps leads to do their work</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159433717" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159433717">(Feb 26 2019 at 15:47)</a>:</h4>
<p>I feel like we covered a lot about meetings and organization but not that much in the how to lead direction</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159433784" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159433784">(Feb 26 2019 at 15:48)</a>:</h4>
<p>also about expectations that rust compiler team or wg-leads may have about participants</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159433853" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159433853">(Feb 26 2019 at 15:49)</a>:</h4>
<p>in any case I feel that we could collectively try to come up with ideas about how to better lead and how to better participate on wgs</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159433870" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159433870">(Feb 26 2019 at 15:50)</a>:</h4>
<p>regardless of how to run a meeting and stuff like that, which is important too of course :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159433964" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159433964">(Feb 26 2019 at 15:50)</a>:</h4>
<p>I guess sharing tips on how to help people, how to keep everyone motivated, etc, would be nice</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159434145" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159434145">(Feb 26 2019 at 15:53)</a>:</h4>
<p>and another minor thing, that is a bit related but more general, there's a lot of stuff that happens in dropbox paper documents, but all this information is now on github, is there a plan to move stuff to github? when one should use paper and when it's better github for docs?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159434151" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159434151">(Feb 26 2019 at 15:53)</a>:</h4>
<p>/cc <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116009">@nikomatsakis</span> <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116107">@davidtwco</span> <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116010">@Aaron Turon</span> ^^^</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG%20template/near/159614394" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Cem Karan <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/WG.20template.html#159614394">(Feb 28 2019 at 13:37)</a>:</h4>
<p>I just noticed <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="128294">@blitzerr</span>'s question about what PGO is in <a href="#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler.2Fwg-meta/topic/PGO.20WG/near/159567689" title="#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler.2Fwg-meta/topic/PGO.20WG/near/159567689">https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com/#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler.2Fwg-meta/topic/PGO.20WG/near/159567689</a>, which got me thinking about working group names.  I think we should avoid abreviations/acronyms where possible; it makes it easier when perusing Zulip and other list-oriented services to determine what group you might wish to join.</p>



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